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The people who have already gotten the vaccine are in for one hell of a ride.

Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-17 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My boss, age 70 and spry until now, has been wondering why she keeps staring at her computer, unable to think properly since she got vaccinated (both shots). I’m praying she will be protected.

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-18 02:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Former doctor here: if we're talking about the MRNA stuff, 80% is probably low..... (The actual vaccines don't seem as dangerous; but it's hard to know as of yet)

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-18 03:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hello Doctor,

If you have time, can you explain the potential benefits and drawbacks, and the MRNA issue, in layman’s terms? We kittens spend so much time knocking things off shelves and pulling down curtains that we don’t always have time to keep up with the latest science.

—Lady Cutekitten

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-18 05:41 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The benefits are simple: if this works as intended, all we need to do is isolate the RNA which codes for proteins any given virus or bacteria has that our immune systems can recognize and attack, and we have a vaccine. Therefore, it becomes vastly easier to produce new vaccines; given how quickly pathogens can evolve, this is a useful thing to be able to do. For example, if something like Ebola, but airborne emerges, being able to develop a vaccine in less than a year is awesome.

The drawbacks come from the fact that we don't know enough about how cells work, and so there is a very high risk this will not work as intended, for at least some people. First, it is known that in some cases RNA gets transcribed into DNA. We don't know how, nor why, nor how often it happens, but we know it does, and so this is a risk. Even if it happens, we might not be able to detect it even if we look for it, and it might not happen to everyone anyway.

There are also what are called intercepted genes, where parts of the DNA are skipped when read into RNA; this can also vary from cell to cell, and person to person: it's part of how neurons and white blood cells can have the same genetic code, but it's also how things can be passed on from generation to generation; for example, starvation causes effects which linger for generations, based on alterations to these intercepted genes. There's some evidence this also happens with RNA, but it's not clear, and it was only discovered a few years ago. What this means is that it's possible these may code for other things for some or all people who get the treatment.

Then there's also the issue of the fact that the immune system does not use a simplistic "this protein is bad" method, but rather assesses the entire situation: it may very well lock onto other proteins on the targets and start attacking them as well; in other words, these might also cause autoimmune disorders: these may not cause major symptoms for months or even years, and so we'd have no idea if this was happening.

Then there's the fact that a lot of how cells work differs in sperm and egg cells, and so even if there are no consequences, there's a risk that mucking about with the cells in this way could cause issues with them, which would not become apparent for months (if it's sperm) or decades if it's egg cells: since egg cells develop in fetus', we'd only be able to know if there was an issue when women who's mothers got the treatment started having children.

In other words, these MRNA therapies are mucking about with a system we don't understand, in ways likely to have unforeseen and possibly devastating consequences, for some fraction of the people who get the treatment, which may not be obvious for a long, long time.

I hope this helps clarify the issue.

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-18 06:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, right, I also should add: assuming the MRNA thing works as intended, it'll function as a vaccine, raising another concern: for reasons which are still somewhat unclear, there is a phenomena called ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) which almost always appears with coronavirus vaccines. The result is that the patient is healthy, but exposure to other coronaviruses becomes vastly more dangerous. This is one of the reasons vaccines need years of testing: if this occurs, which it almost certainly will given that it's happened literally every single time anyone has tried to make a coronavirus vaccine, then things like new Covid-19 variants, the common cold, or whatever new coronaviruses emerge in the future will be vastly more dangerous to people who got these vaccines.

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-18 11:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you, Doctor. I believe that at this moment the virus is less dangerous than the “vaccine.” I hope a legitimate vaccine is soon developed.

—Lady Cutekitten

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-18 06:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jpc_w
The Sputnik V, AstraZenica and CanSino vaccines don't use mRNA technology. They use a viral vector method already used in Hepatitis B vaccines.

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-19 04:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
For anything short of the black death, since the effects likely won't be known fully for generations, the risks are too great for it, in my opinion. Yes, I'd rather take my chances with polio or smallpox than an MRNA vaccine, which is saying something.

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-19 05:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jpc_w
I had the Hepatitis B vaccine 2 years ago. I've had none of the funky side effects the mRNA COVID vaccine recipients are showing.

I've been keeping on top of Covid treatments since I first heard about it in early January 2020.

One of the first people to sound the alarm of what was going on in China made a video about how the mRNA vaccine supposedly works in vivo. He's...well, he was one of the first people in the West to popularize the Vitamin C/Vitamin D/Zinc/Chaga Mushroom//Don Qin treatments used in Viet Nam and Taiwan.

He's also crazy.

So if you decide to watch his presentation, take it with appropriate levels of salt.
Edited (Mentioning I've had the Hep B vaccine.) Date: 2021-02-19 05:56 am (UTC)

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-19 10:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Thanks for the link to Clif's video - sometime over the years I'd lost track of him/George Ure, and peoplenomics... nice to catch up on what that branch of the weird internet is up to these days.

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-18 03:56 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's been classified by the FDA as a vaccine, so yes. Ethically, it's a whole other story, but legally speaking the MRNA stuff is a vaccine. One of the many reasons I think this was a terrible idea is that it means the consequences will be considered a vaccine issue, which means the backlash will hit a lot of very valuable things.

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-18 05:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm thinking that because this is classed as a vaccine, the backlash will hit vaccines hard; some of which are beneficial despite the risks. Freaking out over a relatively minor disease, rushing these experimental treatments, classifying them as a vaccine when it's very much not, and then insisting it's safe even as the evidence for side effects pile up is going to convince a lot of people to stop trusting vaccinations in general.

Re: Vaccine

Date: 2021-02-19 01:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I see it as a test run for such technology: they're prodding to see how compliant the population is, and how high they have to ratchet up the propaganda to get people to fall in line. I don't think it's a tracking marker yet, but I think if it's reasonably successful this time around, it'll be an ID chip of some sort next time.

Date: 2021-02-17 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The thing is, we don't know if it will or not. We know it's possible to transcribe RNA into DNA; we know it happens all the time, and it is in fact one of the many epigenetic processes. We don't have the foggiest idea of how it works, just that it happens, and given the complexities of the human genome, we can't easily test everyone. So it very well might alter DNA for some, or all, of the people who get it, and we won't know.

So of course Zuckerberg is smart enough to know this is a risk; but they can't let us peasants know, or we might not get the vaccines!

Re: Karma

Date: 2021-02-18 05:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Whatever else can be said about Limbaugh, he died well, carrying on with his show till nearly the end, loyal to his loyal audience.

—Lady Cutekitten

Re: Karma

Date: 2021-02-18 01:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
For real! When did people lose the art of saying "I didn't agree with the guy, but what a life!"

FWIW:

Godspeed, Rush. You weren't my cup of tea, but what a life!

Re: Karma

Date: 2021-02-18 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] causticus
Basically,

1. These people have gone full-blown psychotic.

2. The universe has quite a randy sense of humor.

My family is full of PMCs and I seen first-hand how the vaccine madness is playing out. And whenever I get the chance to interact with working class people, it's literally like night and day.

Re: Weaponized Medicine

Date: 2021-02-21 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lincoln_lynx
The thought has crossed my mind. Before the pandemic they wargamed a scenario where a virus resurfaces and kills a large percentage of the population.

These are people who want a more manageable society so I wouldn't be shocked if they did such a thing. (Or if the vaccine just happens to cause a marked decline in birth rates.)

Date: 2021-02-18 01:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
To be fair: Zuck apparently said that back in... July? But if he's allowed to change his mind over time, it's curious that FB cannot allow others the possibility of doing likewise.


My natural inclination is to believe *all* the negative things postulated about the vaccine. But I don't *know* any of it for sure, and expect we'll all have to wait and find out. Though why anyone wants to be a guinea pig for it is beyond me.

Date: 2021-02-18 11:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Yeah. I'm married, not yet menopausal, and accidents *do* happen. Not even going to risk getting vaccinated since there is pretty much *always* a non-zero chance I might be pregnant or get that way shortly, regardless of whether we're trying to or not (case in point: our delightful second kid!). Even the official literature says don't get it if you're pregnant, and don't get pregnant within 2 months of it (and at what? Three doses now?). I don't think any sexually active woman of childbearing age who still has a uterus should even consider getting it. x100 for those of us whose religious convictions prohibit getting an abortion. I think any Christian woman is within her rights to refuse on religious grounds for that reason.

Date: 2021-02-19 01:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
The depressing thing is that discrimination against fertile women re: vaccine is already happening:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/nyc-waitress-fired-refusing-covid-vaccine-fertility-concerns/

Date: 2021-02-19 03:27 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
""“Please be advised that we will require that all employees receive the vaccination,” the email, which Jacobson provided to NBC News, said. “This will be mandatory for all existing employees and any new hires. The exception to this policy will be if your own personal health or disability prohibits you from obtaining this vaccination. We encourage you to consult your healthcare professional to determine if getting a vaccine is right for you.”"

It's fascinating: talk to your doctor, make sure you know whether you should get, but you're getting it!

Date: 2021-02-22 12:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lp9
My sister had a doctor's appointment to talk about her concerns with the vaccine and fertility. Interestingly, the nurse said he wasn't getting it because he and his wife were trying to have a baby. The doctor, of course, highly recommended my sister get it.

Date: 2021-02-19 04:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I find it wryly amusing, as a pro-life activist, is watching the way that the pro-choice activists are now shooting themselves in the foot: they're trampling over their best argument in favour of their cause, and it really appears they don't notice it. My guess is that one of the consequences will be a massive reduction in abortion rights over the next few years, since judging from conversations I've had lately, the pro-choice movement has just succeeded in something we have been trying to do for years, but could never quite pull off: convincing a lot of people, including plenty of young women, that a sizable fraction of the pro-choice people do not actually care about women's bodily autonomy. The fact they don't get that is the weirdest part of it all.

Date: 2021-02-19 08:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I know a young teen who had a baby because abortions were deemed elective surgery, so I think it's already here for a lot of people...

Date: 2021-02-19 08:15 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I spent most of 2020 just shocked at how quickly the pro-choice activists succeeded in destroying their credibility, and I'm still not sure what to do with it: we accomplished more in 2020 than I had expected to be able to accomplish in the 2020s in my wildest dreams, all because of the way the most vocal people on the other side of the debate obliterated basically all of their credibility.

I think there are plenty of reasons to be pro-choice, but the only one that can stand against the fact that abortion means deliberately ending a human life is bodily autonomy. This is why watching the pro-choice people shred their ability to plausibly be able claim to support it was truly astonishing. It really is surreal....

Date: 2021-02-19 07:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
It really is bizarre to watch the whole "my body my choice" argument flip overnight from a left cause to a conservative cause, the same way freedom of speech already did. Looks like peaceable assembly is next.

I suspect a lot of things will follow suit in the near term.

Date: 2021-02-20 12:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I had long ago figured out that "My body my choice" needed to go beyond so-called reproductive rights, such as health freedom to choose what doctor or treatment to follow, whether allopathic or alternative/natural. Bodily autonomy is what most sane people want. My head has been spinning from all the flip-flopping on free speech and the like. My take is that the belief "X is for me, but not for thee" rules many humans. Put anything in X, ex: Free speech for me and my point of view, yay! For those who oppose me or my group, nay! and so on.

When extremes rule, we are all in danger of erasure.

Joy Marie

Date: 2021-02-20 12:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I wonder how many will join me in discovering that by staying still we moved from centre or even far left to the far right....

Date: 2021-02-20 07:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Oh, it's huge, and the number is growing daily. I've always leaned right, and it's been truly a sight to behold: how every few months, yet another huge group of people who used to be opposed to all things "conservative" now find themselves allied with "the right". Because suddenly, "the right" are the only people who can handle saying "I respect you as a person acting in good faith even if I don't agree with you about everything, and I'm willing to work with you on the things we agree on".

It's the Dave Rubin-ization of everyone. Strange bedfellows. Gives me hope that maybe, just maybe, we can pull through this without a bloodbath.

Date: 2021-02-20 05:33 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ultimately I think that neither side actually has an argument. They only have a want, and a will to make that want a reality by whatever means they think will work, and what we are seeing is a mass manipulation of what those wants happen to be.

Get ready

Date: 2021-02-24 02:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lp9
Get ready for some cacomagic. One of my co-workers just announced she is leaving because she has been hired for a big, national COVID vaccine marketing campaign. It's supposed to start in a week or two, so I imagine we'll be hearing all about why the vaccines are so great on tv (if you have one), radio, and internet ads.

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