Date: 2021-11-04 12:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Scary. My friend's daughter is pregnant and got the fox. She's a nurse, and wasn't going to get the fox, but was hearing a lot of stories of pregnant women struggling with COVID. She did wait until her second trimester, thinking that would be safer. Yet...on top of this, she has come down with COVID. Her home test is positive, and she is now waiting on the results from the testing center. She says she still won't allow her two other children to be foxed, though the state has started foxing those under 12 now.

As for the foxed, who are still coming down with COVID...they will find one way or another to blame it on us holdouts. I'm steeling myself for what's to come.

Joy Marie

Date: 2021-11-04 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I find it wryly amusing that so many people are adamant that people will just go along with injecting their children because people put up with this for so long, when an awful lot of parents I know have put up with it this long because it's the best way they see that they can keep their children safe. Ex: I know an avid anti-masker who's kept wearing a mask to keep a job to get food for their kids; a number of people I know took the shots to be able to keep participating in events for their children; and the list goes on.

Go after the kids, and all bets are off....

Date: 2021-11-06 01:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Another gateway pundit article you've probably seen. It seems like ERs are full, but it's not covid related (but vaxxed related.)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/hard-watch-hospital-ers-across-nation-completely-overwhelmed-non-covid-patients-sicker-ever-seen-nurses-forced-give-treatments-hallways-no/

Date: 2021-11-04 07:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
If there's any upside, the study that TGP is referencing does seem to indicate that if you *have* to get the fox while pregnant, the later in pregnancy that happens, the safer it is. Before 20 weeks looks like a disaster, but the sample size is pretty small. It is bad enough that it should be setting off major alarm bells though, and send the thing back to the animal-testing phase until we know more.

Date: 2021-11-05 01:40 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"It is bad enough that it should be setting off major alarm bells though, and send the thing back to the animal-testing phase until we know more."

It never got animal testing in the first place....

Date: 2021-11-07 10:44 pm (UTC)
methylethyl: (Default)
From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I think there may have been GM mouse studies. But for pregnancy, they needed rhesus monkeys, or something like that. Mice don't make the same early-pregnancy chemical signals. Certain kinds of monkeys do. Definitely the appropriate testing has not been done, and the first-round human trials for pregnancy have now been done on women without informed consent. Note I'm not cheering on animal testing. I just think it's better than testing on pregnant women. In this case, it should never have got to the testing phase, because there are safe, effective, and cheap ways to treat the disease already.

There are rumors now of high rates of neonates with pulmonary hemorrhage, and heart problems. Waiting to see if those turn out to be real or just rumor.

Date: 2021-11-09 02:22 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There was that small Pfizer study in rats that found the treatment group had twice as many early losses as the control group, and there were some fetal malformations. That study was reported to the European Medicines Agency, not published AFAIK, and the EMA did not report any comparison of the rate of fetal malformations in the treatment group to that in the control group.

The EMA report (https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf) said:

>There was an increase (~2x) of pre-implantation loss (9.77%, compared to control 4.09%) although this was within historical control data range (5.1%-11.5%). Among foetuses (from a total of n=21 dams/litters), there was a very low incidence of gastroschisis, mouth/jaw malformations, right sided aortic arch, and cervical vertebrae abnormalities, although these findings were within historical control data. Regarding skeletal findings, the exposed group had comparable to control group levels of presacral vertebral arches supernumerary lumbar ribs, supernumerary lumbar short ribs, caudal vertebrae number < 5). There were no signs of adverse effects on the postnatal pups (terminated at PND21). It is noted that there is currently no available data on the placental transfer of BNT162b2.

They really should have done testing with monkeys, though, because (as you said) their placenta is more similar to humans'.

Date: 2021-11-09 06:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Yeah, I saw that one. With mouse studies, it's just hard to tell if there's anything there. Suggestive? Yes. Conclusive? Far from it. So we're gonna muddle through this doing a giant medical experiment on pregnant women who've been assured it's totally safe.

It's not going to end well.

Date: 2021-11-09 07:53 pm (UTC)
methylethyl: (Default)
From: [personal profile] methylethyl
It really does feel that way. Even if the rate of negative effects is vastly lower than thalidomide, it's been given to SO many more people! For a disease that was only ever dangerous people already on the brink of death anyway...

If we're still around in ten years, we'll be reading books about this, trying to understand it.

Date: 2021-11-10 08:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
The cynical voice that resides in the back of my head making atavistic calculations says: if even half the horrible things they're saying about the foxes turn out to be true, then my unmodified organic children are going to have a much easier-than-anticipated time finding Nice Orthodox Spouses in 10-20 years. Particularly as the church prohibits most forms of assisted reproduction (no surrogates, no donor gametes, no IVF). Nothing like sweeping the competition off the field...

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